# Spider-Man 3 Is Completely Unhinged - Fireside Discussion
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[00:00:00 - 00:00:08] All right, drew you are a waitress at a jazz bar. All right. I'm a waitress. I come up to you with the jazz bars full
[00:00:08 - 00:00:13] Okay, yeah, yeah, I come up to you really close in your ear. Okay, and I whisper
[00:00:13 - 00:00:16] Find us some shade and I slip you a 20
[00:00:17 - 00:00:19] And I say
[00:00:19 - 00:00:21] Thanks hot legs
[00:00:21 - 00:00:23] How does it make you feel?
[00:00:25 - 00:00:27] Uncomfortable objectified
[00:00:28 - 00:00:32] Not a great day to be a waitress at a jazz bar
[00:00:38 - 00:00:40] He doesn't like Spider-Man 3
[00:00:40 - 00:00:56] Welcome back guys to our Spider-Man marathon we are talking about
[00:00:57 - 00:00:59] Rami's Spider-Man 3
[00:00:59 - 00:01:01] Which clearly
[00:01:01 - 00:01:07] One of us definitely isn't like there are definitely some problems. I have more of a soft spot, but
[00:01:08 - 00:01:10] This is a questionable movie at best
[00:01:11 - 00:01:13] For sure. Yeah, um
[00:01:14 - 00:01:16] I'm gonna put you on the spot. Okay
[00:01:17 - 00:01:22] Because there's this is the way I want to do this episode. Okay, I have a ton of issues with this movie
[00:01:22 - 00:01:25] Yep, we just watched it. We did I've seen this movie before
[00:01:26 - 00:01:29] On this rewatch it was worse than I remembered
[00:01:29 - 00:01:31] Yeah
[00:01:31 - 00:01:36] You have stated drew off podcast that you have like a defense of spider-man
[00:01:36 - 00:01:43] I put together some reasons why this movie is not horrible. This movie is not great. Okay. I gave it three stars
[00:01:43 - 00:01:45] Okay, whoa
[00:01:46 - 00:01:53] You're saying you you leave this movie thinking this is a positive experience. Yes slightly positive not like
[00:01:55 - 00:01:56] Again
[00:01:56 - 00:02:02] In my mind two and a half is slightly negative three at three is probably have is literally neutral
[00:02:02 - 00:02:04] No, it's not there are five or there are ten sections
[00:02:05 - 00:02:07] Which means in the middle is 2.75
[00:02:08 - 00:02:14] Okay, but that's I disagree with that, but whatever that's neither 25 is half of 50. That's true
[00:02:15 - 00:02:19] 2.5 is literally neutral. Yeah, but there are 10 10 things on letterbox
[00:02:21 - 00:02:25] Okay, anyway, I think maybe I'm just an idiot I
[00:02:26 - 00:02:31] Let us know if you think 2.5 is half of five in the comment section. Here's how I want to structure this episode
[00:02:32 - 00:02:38] I think this movie is horrible. You think this movie is not horrible, but not that good. Yes, that's where I'm at
[00:02:38 - 00:02:43] So I want you to give your defense of spider-man 3 and you try to convince me that this movie is not horrible
[00:02:43 - 00:02:49] Okay, and then I'll give my reasons why this is horrible later. This is a spoiler for spider-man 3
[00:02:49 - 00:02:51] Welcome back to my line a fireside film podcast by the way
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[00:03:07 - 00:03:13] We have as a five-star review if you're on audio platform. All right. Are you ready? I'm so ready. Okay, so
[00:03:13 - 00:03:15] And this will be a common theme
[00:03:16 - 00:03:22] As we get further down the road of spider-man this you will soon learn audience is
[00:03:22 - 00:03:23] Sony
[00:03:23 - 00:03:30] The company who owns the film rights to the character. Yes does not know how to make a movie
[00:03:31 - 00:03:33] like kind of in general
[00:03:33 - 00:03:34] Yeah
[00:03:34 - 00:03:36] so
[00:03:36 - 00:03:39] Spider-man 2 it's kind of like a coin toss with Sony. It's like a coin toss. Yeah
[00:03:40 - 00:03:46] Unless they hire Lord Miller, but that's kind of another discussion. Yes, so Ray me originally in this
[00:03:47 - 00:03:51] Movie wanted to have salmon as a bone. Okay, and wanted to tackle the sin of pride
[00:03:52 - 00:03:54] from Peter
[00:03:54 - 00:03:56] Yes, that skeleton is still in this movie
[00:03:57 - 00:04:01] Somewhere in there. Is it mishandled 100% aviarad?
[00:04:02 - 00:04:06] Who is a producer on this movie and like works for Sony?
[00:04:06 - 00:04:12] Forced then I'm in. Okay, which again, how did like how did that conversation go?
[00:04:12 - 00:04:17] Did you do that much research or was it like no, I I'll be again. No one's in the room, but allegedly
[00:04:18 - 00:04:20] Aviarad said hey, Ray me
[00:04:21 - 00:04:26] The fans really want venom and he whipped out like letter after letter after letter of fan mail
[00:04:26 - 00:04:31] Like hey, can we please have venom in here and Sam Raimi was like I don't care about venom
[00:04:31 - 00:04:34] I don't like venom and Aviarad said do you want a job?
[00:04:35 - 00:04:38] And Sam Ray be said, okay, I'll do venom
[00:04:41 - 00:04:46] So yes, and it like this is all context for why the movie is a mess
[00:04:46 - 00:04:49] That doesn't necessarily excuse the fact that this movie is a mess
[00:04:50 - 00:04:56] So I think this is helpful information to have but also I think you have to take spider-man 3 for what it is and be like
[00:04:58 - 00:05:00] Whether it was studio or Raimi it still exists
[00:05:01 - 00:05:03] but I think
[00:05:03 - 00:05:06] The deconstruction of the sin of pride
[00:05:07 - 00:05:13] Through Peter is still very much here. I think that would agree is an arc that he goes down
[00:05:13 - 00:05:15] I think the camp in this movie is
[00:05:16 - 00:05:22] Significantly worse than one and two. I think really bad the dialogue some of the lines here are terrible
[00:05:22 - 00:05:24] But I think if you actually look at Peter's arc
[00:05:26 - 00:05:28] he is super cocky in
[00:05:28 - 00:05:30] the beginning and then he gets the black suit and
[00:05:31 - 00:05:33] Becomes like a horrible person
[00:05:33 - 00:05:38] trying to kill Sandman just abuses Gwen and MJ basically and
[00:05:39 - 00:05:41] and
[00:05:41 - 00:05:43] Like I think you watch pride
[00:05:43 - 00:05:48] Break him down and then he gets the black suit and he just instantly corrupted, but then at the end
[00:05:48 - 00:05:54] He apologizes to Harry as he's dying and says I'm sorry for hurting you
[00:05:54 - 00:06:00] I shouldn't have done that which is a deconstruction of his pride and then he forgives Sam man for killing his uncle
[00:06:02 - 00:06:04] Yes
[00:06:04 - 00:06:06] That is all true I
[00:06:07 - 00:06:08] I
[00:06:08 - 00:06:11] I'm going to kind of keep some receipts on you. Okay
[00:06:12 - 00:06:14] We've said a lot on
[00:06:14 - 00:06:19] This podcast so we talked a lot about the Star Wars prequels, which is this gonna sound like a gear shift
[00:06:19 - 00:06:21] I'm going somewhere we did
[00:06:21 - 00:06:27] Our kind of conclusion on the Star Wars prequels is that the prequels themselves are very hit-or-miss. Yep
[00:06:28 - 00:06:31] The overarching story of the prequels is good
[00:06:32 - 00:06:35] The execution is really bad and that's what I am
[00:06:36 - 00:06:39] It's not all bad like you were the chosen one is incredible
[00:06:39 - 00:06:45] But like when Anakin just goes kills younglings out of nowhere like that jump is crazy. Yep. I
[00:06:46 - 00:06:51] Feel similarly not about Spider-Man 3. Oh, okay, but about this whole trilogy
[00:06:51 - 00:06:58] Oh, but but with the stipulation that this is a step up from the prequels. Yeah, like
[00:06:58 - 00:07:03] Spider-Man 1 I think is pretty poorly executed overall. You know, I said it has a great son
[00:07:03 - 00:07:09] That's good. I disagree. I know we disagree on this. I think it's super campy. I think the dialogue is horrendous
[00:07:09 - 00:07:14] I don't love to hope you acquire. This is kind of something. I've just resolved on a little bit
[00:07:14 - 00:07:17] I still love him. Yeah, I really don't but I think Willem Dafoe's great
[00:07:17 - 00:07:22] And then I think that Peter's Ark in the first spider-man movie is very very good
[00:07:22 - 00:07:26] Yeah, you are so right. I think it makes at the end of the movie is one of the best superhero decisions
[00:07:27 - 00:07:30] Like may best superhero moments ever. I completely agree with all that
[00:07:31 - 00:07:35] This fireman 2 takes it up like a giant notch
[00:07:35 - 00:07:39] The dialogue is significantly better. The effects are better. The pacing is incredible
[00:07:39 - 00:07:41] The story is great. The villain is better
[00:07:41 - 00:07:47] I think fireman 2 is better in literally every single way and almost a perfect movie if not a perfect movie
[00:07:47 - 00:07:55] Yeah, Spider-Man 3 had the opportunity to do an even better job or continue to build on this momentum
[00:07:55 - 00:07:58] Right and maybe round out one of the best trilogies of all time
[00:07:59 - 00:08:02] Instead it is a complete mess and
[00:08:03 - 00:08:07] Wow, I think there are bits and pieces of a good Peter Ark in here
[00:08:07 - 00:08:11] The execution is so bad that it's just almost irredeemable
[00:08:11 - 00:08:16] Okay, hit me with everything you think that is bad about the execution
[00:08:17 - 00:08:19] Okay, well for starters
[00:08:19 - 00:08:24] All there's so many villains. Yeah, it's a mess and like you think like all of this
[00:08:24 - 00:08:26] He's just saying that no. So you have Harry
[00:08:28 - 00:08:33] Who it was set up in my opinion? I kind of think he should have been the main villain of this movie
[00:08:33 - 00:08:34] I don't hate that
[00:08:34 - 00:08:40] like two like one and two set him up to be like a core part of three and he is
[00:08:41 - 00:08:48] But he kind of is sidelined for the whole movie and his arc is super underdeveloped with Peter
[00:08:48 - 00:08:50] Agreed like he should have been given a full
[00:08:51 - 00:08:58] Villain movie like to or like not a movie to himself, but like the full villain role of this movie to himself
[00:08:58 - 00:09:06] Sam and also super underdeveloped. I think that his arc Wow kind of good also kind of
[00:09:08 - 00:09:10] Unnecessarily retcons
[00:09:10 - 00:09:16] Peter's like Uncle Ben stuff. I just don't like that. He's forced into that and we never see any hints of them
[00:09:17 - 00:09:22] Until the third movie. I don't yeah, it's definitely a retcon. Yeah, I hate it. I
[00:09:23 - 00:09:25] Don't mind it just because I think
[00:09:26 - 00:09:29] It gives Peter interesting dynamics of like
[00:09:30 - 00:09:36] Yeah, I think that's maybe more forgivable for me. Yeah, okay, and then you have venom. Yeah
[00:09:37 - 00:09:43] Which is just horrible. Yeah, 100% and you I think that it actually could have been done. Well in this movie
[00:09:43 - 00:09:45] I genuinely do
[00:09:45 - 00:09:51] Now I think this movie would have had to subtract another factor, but that's another whole thing. I think that
[00:09:51 - 00:09:59] Sam Raimi went the campiest route. He possibly could have gone with venom like I just it's just so bad
[00:10:00 - 00:10:02] like every single scene
[00:10:03 - 00:10:09] from when he's eating the cookies and like on the phone with dr. Connors and I
[00:10:09 - 00:10:12] mean the whole hair
[00:10:13 - 00:10:19] Whatever he's got going on. Yeah, it's terrible and then like Eddie is a terrible villain like he just sucks
[00:10:20 - 00:10:25] But he's just kind of a jerk and then he's like I'm going to pray to God to kill Peter Parker
[00:10:25 - 00:10:27] That's he's stupid like he's just so undercooked and
[00:10:29 - 00:10:33] And then this movie just fails with pacing. I actually don't think MJ's bad in this movie by no
[00:10:33 - 00:10:35] I think MJ's the best part of this movie by far
[00:10:36 - 00:10:37] but I
[00:10:37 - 00:10:44] Think the pacing fails to the point where when we were like two-ish hours into the movie and Peter goes to Harry
[00:10:44 - 00:10:47] I was like, I forgot that Harry's even a part of this movie
[00:10:47 - 00:10:49] Like that's how bad the pacing is
[00:10:49 - 00:10:55] So I know I'm just kind of spitballing. There's a bunch of random stuff there. No, I agree
[00:10:55 - 00:10:58] I think the pacing is absolutely abysmal in this movie. I
[00:11:00 - 00:11:04] Think there shouldn't have been three villains. I think I
[00:11:04 - 00:11:10] Honestly think Harry should have been the main focus and Sam man should have been the B-plot. Yeah, and that's it
[00:11:10 - 00:11:14] Yeah, I'm fine with that. I don't think same ends that bad the black suit story takes up like
[00:11:15 - 00:11:17] Wait, 40% of the screen time
[00:11:18 - 00:11:20] I mean, it's just a mess the scene where he's
[00:11:21 - 00:11:26] Playing piano like I even forgot that this was in the movie. I did too at the jazz bar
[00:11:26 - 00:11:29] The jazz the whole jazz scene is killer. It's unbearable
[00:11:30 - 00:11:34] I mean the dancing is what I remember most vividly and that is still really bad. I
[00:11:35 - 00:11:41] Do like him hitting MJ though. No, that's a great moment. That's a great moment. That moment is great
[00:11:41 - 00:11:45] Okay, they're for your like in defense of your argument
[00:11:45 - 00:11:50] I do think the pride stuff of him kissing Gwen Stacy. I think the first
[00:11:52 - 00:11:55] The first scene at the diner not the diner
[00:11:55 - 00:11:59] Sorry the restaurant when he's about to propose and he's like miss all the life
[00:11:59 - 00:12:04] I think like that's good that that core right there is good hundred percent. I
[00:12:05 - 00:12:09] Think there's all the other stuff that makes it really bad and I agree. I
[00:12:10 - 00:12:12] Guess my argument is this
[00:12:13 - 00:12:16] This movie is pretty bad
[00:12:17 - 00:12:22] Okay, I have a positive experience because I have a foundation of one and two which I love
[00:12:22 - 00:12:26] That's fair and I think the core arc of the three characters that I care about
[00:12:27 - 00:12:35] MJ Peter and Harry are solid now everything around it is a mess. This movie is campy. This movie is cheesy. This movie is
[00:12:36 - 00:12:40] Pretty horrible at times. You think Harry's arc is good in this movie. I
[00:12:41 - 00:12:44] Think him sacrificing himself for Peter is good is a good ending
[00:12:45 - 00:12:51] Yeah, I mean now I think him getting amnesia is stupid
[00:12:51 - 00:12:58] I think I mean literally it is an excuse to take him out of the game so we can focus on the villains
[00:12:58 - 00:13:03] We don't really care about I have an argument here that I think Harry's arc is bad because it could have been better
[00:13:03 - 00:13:05] And here's where okay, I think it could have been better
[00:13:05 - 00:13:07] It's because I think Harry could have
[00:13:08 - 00:13:13] Like had so much more tension in his own spirit of like Peter's my best friend
[00:13:13 - 00:13:14] I agree and
[00:13:14 - 00:13:20] Should I attack him or should I not and he wrestles without the whole movie and said out the gate just out the freaking game
[00:13:20 - 00:13:25] Yeah, yeah, he's attacking Peter. I'm like it just feels like such a jump to me
[00:13:27 - 00:13:32] From like trying to kind of hire someone else and then he has his moment where he drops the dagger
[00:13:32 - 00:13:38] And he's about to kill Peter and Spider-Man 2 and like he doesn't I'm like you could have sat in that tension for an entire
[00:13:38 - 00:13:41] Movie and said he's just attacking Peter. I just think it's dumb
[00:13:41 - 00:13:45] Yeah, I think I think it's pretty dumb. I think I mean he
[00:13:47 - 00:13:50] He kind of had the tension in Spider-Man 2 of like
[00:13:51 - 00:13:53] I'm not gonna do what my father
[00:13:53 - 00:14:00] Did yeah, or like it's kind of more subconscious, but then it's like instantly in spider-man 3 he looks like the picture of
[00:14:01 - 00:14:04] Norman and Norman's like avenge me
[00:14:04 - 00:14:07] Yeah, and then it's just an instant flip
[00:14:07 - 00:14:12] But then it's an instant flip again because he hits his head and forgets everything. I mean it's
[00:14:13 - 00:14:15] But like even that could have been more interesting with like
[00:14:16 - 00:14:19] Peter trying to hide this secret from him or like what does Peter do?
[00:14:19 - 00:14:23] Does he like yeah, or does he tell him and like we don't really get into that at all because
[00:14:24 - 00:14:29] Peter's finding Eddie or he's dancing in a jazz bar. So like I
[00:14:29 - 00:14:33] I don't know. I maybe you're right like Harry's not the worst part of this movie
[00:14:33 - 00:14:40] But he's so underdeveloped and then he just dies and then he just dies well his death is the best part of his arc
[00:14:41 - 00:14:42] Yeah
[00:14:42 - 00:14:45] Because like ideally we would have this
[00:14:46 - 00:14:52] Like Peter goes on this arc of pride and he's like once thinks he's the greatest and Sam and rocks up
[00:14:52 - 00:14:56] He killed uncle Ben, but then Harry's arc is wrestling with
[00:14:57 - 00:14:59] what is true what actually happened and
[00:15:00 - 00:15:06] Like how do I live in the shadow of my father's legacy and then at the end his conclusion is
[00:15:07 - 00:15:12] Like sacrificing himself for his friend. I think that's a phenomenal arc and I think at the core of
[00:15:13 - 00:15:16] This really poorly executed movie is what we have
[00:15:16 - 00:15:23] Yeah, I mean even the scene where whatever his butler is yeah, he comes up. I mean that's stupid
[00:15:23 - 00:15:31] By the way, I saw this stupid and I saw that like the knife or the woods are from the glider like no you did it, bro
[00:15:31 - 00:15:34] And it's like so don't even if that's true. Why didn't you tell that to Harry?
[00:15:35 - 00:15:40] I know any other point would have been helpful. Oh my gosh. I
[00:15:41 - 00:15:43] Yeah, it's just stupid
[00:15:44 - 00:15:47] But I see what you're saying like it's not the worst part of the movie
[00:15:47 - 00:15:53] I do think MJ's good. Yeah, and she kind of gets like freaked over in the she she is the most
[00:15:53 - 00:15:59] Sympathetic character in this whole movie and she does kind of cheat on Peter like they were on a break
[00:16:01 - 00:16:05] Yeah, yeah Peter kind of cheats on MJ, so it's like I
[00:16:06 - 00:16:11] Yeah, it makes more sense. I think MJ's good in this movie
[00:16:11 - 00:16:13] Yes, I agree
[00:16:14 - 00:16:18] But outside of that, I feel like this movie doesn't have a lot of redeemable qualities
[00:16:18 - 00:16:22] Okay, but can you you don't agree with my argument, but you understand
[00:16:22 - 00:16:24] I see where you're coming from. I
[00:16:24 - 00:16:27] Think the tension for me is like do I accept that this movie is bad
[00:16:27 - 00:16:30] But give it a pass because of studio interference
[00:16:31 - 00:16:38] With and the core is good. I mean, I feel like this is very similar to the prequel argument of like yeah, like attack of the clones
[00:16:39 - 00:16:47] It's a there's a good story here. I I don't I think attack of the clones is built on a better story
[00:16:47 - 00:16:49] like overarching story
[00:16:49 - 00:16:51] Then this movie
[00:16:52 - 00:16:55] I would say they are comparable that might be true. I don't know
[00:16:55 - 00:17:02] I think here's the last thing I will say about why I dislike this movie because I could talk about why it's like this movie for hours
[00:17:02 - 00:17:07] It's also so sad to see how good spider-man 2 is which is genuinely incredible
[00:17:07 - 00:17:14] I love that movie to go to this and it is just worse and literally every single fathomable way. Yeah, it's true
[00:17:15 - 00:17:21] Yes, no, it's worse. It is worse in every single way. I would argue the VFX here are better. No
[00:17:21 - 00:17:23] Yes, they are they look like a spy kids movie at times
[00:17:24 - 00:17:28] No, I don't think so. The the chase scene in the beginning of the movie when he's
[00:17:29 - 00:17:31] When they're gliding through the alleyways
[00:17:32 - 00:17:37] Looks kind of like a spy kid scene to me. I could be wrong. I could I could be in the minority
[00:17:37 - 00:17:39] maybe I
[00:17:39 - 00:17:47] Think they aren't all bad. They were incredible VFX Spider-man moments here such as him rescuing Gwen and like
[00:17:48 - 00:17:53] Flipping over all the debris and flying through like the column. Oh, yeah, like that's awesome
[00:17:53 - 00:17:59] I think venom honestly like doesn't look great, but it kind of looks good. I think salmon kind of looks good, too
[00:17:59 - 00:18:00] I agree
[00:18:00 - 00:18:02] So I think the salmon fight in the train
[00:18:03 - 00:18:05] sick, yeah, I
[00:18:08 - 00:18:15] Don't know like the I don't really think there's much that could even be considered better than spider-man 2
[00:18:16 - 00:18:21] I'll stop my argument against this movie. It's bad. Everybody knows it's bad
[00:18:21 - 00:18:25] We're just saying what everybody thinks it is it is not great, but I see what you're saying
[00:18:25 - 00:18:27] I think the core story of pride is good
[00:18:27 - 00:18:32] I think it's an interesting inverse from spider-man 2 where like in spider-man 2
[00:18:33 - 00:18:38] Nothing is working out for Peter in spider-man 3 everything working out for Peter and spider-man. Yeah
[00:18:38 - 00:18:42] But then he is losing sight of what's actually important, right? So I
[00:18:43 - 00:18:49] Will give it that let us know your opinion on spider-man 3 and if you think it is good if you think it is bad
[00:18:49 - 00:18:55] Micah Fisher, I I don't want to keep shouting you on it every episode, but we but you gave it forward half-stars. I
[00:18:56 - 00:18:58] Think that's kind of crazy. Oh my gosh
[00:18:58 - 00:19:03] I'm losing faith. He did say it was mostly nostalgia, which is like fine. That is fine
[00:19:04 - 00:19:10] But only a half-star dinged only a half-star. Yeah, this is a half-star away from perfect movie
[00:19:10 - 00:19:15] Yeah, that's that's crazy. That is crazy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, let us know your thoughts on spider-man 3
[00:19:16 - 00:19:20] Shall we rank it in our spider-man ranking? This is the easiest
[00:19:21 - 00:19:23] currently we have
[00:19:23 - 00:19:25] Raimi 2 at 1
[00:19:25 - 00:19:30] Raimi 1 at 2 and we're gonna land at Raimi 3 at 3
[00:19:30 - 00:19:34] Which will continue to go down the rankings as we slot more movies in here, but
[00:19:35 - 00:19:39] Something I'm interested. This is just something I was thinking about okay yesterday drew
[00:19:40 - 00:19:45] Is that we have kind of two different like like these three movies are ranked properly right?
[00:19:45 - 00:19:48] I agree, but there's kind of two different arguments you can make for each one of these movies
[00:19:48 - 00:19:56] Is it a good spider-man movie and is it a good movie? That is true. Should we define how we're ranking these or shoot it?
[00:19:56 - 00:20:02] I think it's a way to amalgamation of both. Yeah until we get like I think really to the homecoming trilogy
[00:20:02 - 00:20:07] Is when it's gonna start getting interesting because I agree are you the homecoming trilogy is a better movie?
[00:20:08 - 00:20:12] Like those are all better movies overall then better wait then spider-man movies
[00:20:12 - 00:20:19] I agree my English there made some sense. I think so we're gonna have to kind of settle that at some point
[00:20:19 - 00:20:21] I'm gonna say it should be a
[00:20:21 - 00:20:23] 60-40 split of
[00:20:24 - 00:20:26] 70-30 split like spider-man versus
[00:20:26 - 00:20:29] Yeah, gosh, we'll talk about it. Yeah, we'll get we'll get there
[00:20:29 - 00:20:33] I don't think we're gonna that'll be like two or three days for now when we get to that part of the argument
[00:20:33 - 00:20:36] But let's give our actual rating which we might debate about this. I
[00:20:37 - 00:20:40] Have a slot. I have a slot too. Okay
[00:20:40 - 00:20:43] I'm gonna say streaming. I'm going to say
[00:20:44 - 00:20:46] freestreaming I
[00:20:46 - 00:20:50] Don't think you should spend money on this movie ever. I think it is that bad
[00:20:51 - 00:20:53] Okay, but
[00:20:53 - 00:20:58] This is a conclusion of a of a good trilogy at least yes
[00:20:58 - 00:21:01] It is two-thirds of a good
[00:21:02 - 00:21:04] I would say the trilogy of the whole is good
[00:21:04 - 00:21:07] Where the three main characters and is good
[00:21:09 - 00:21:11] The getting there is rough
[00:21:11 - 00:21:13] Sure, okay
[00:21:14 - 00:21:17] But I also still don't agree with streaming. I don't know
[00:21:18 - 00:21:21] You don't think you should pay money for this. I don't think you should pay money
[00:21:21 - 00:21:25] Yeah, I think if you were logged into your mom's Disney plus account go watch this movie
[00:21:25 - 00:21:28] But I don't think you should spend the dime on this movie. I
[00:21:29 - 00:21:31] Know says to be but
[00:21:31 - 00:21:33] Just imagine free Disney plus. Yeah
[00:21:34 - 00:21:38] You're like house sitting and yeah, they have Disney plus on for free
[00:21:39 - 00:21:43] You go on vacation and you're logged in somebody else's Amazon Prime account
[00:21:43 - 00:21:45] And they happen to have spider-man 3 purchased on there
[00:21:49 - 00:21:53] But I can concede my argument again for spider-man 3 I was about to concede mine
[00:21:54 - 00:21:56] Should we rock paper scissors? Yeah, let's do it
[00:21:56 - 00:21:59] Rock paper scissors shoot rock paper scissors shoot
[00:22:00 - 00:22:02] Shoot
[00:22:04 - 00:22:06] Okay
[00:22:07 - 00:22:09] I disagree with whatever
[00:22:09 - 00:22:13] I will say I think you should own the first two spider-man
[00:22:13 - 00:22:18] Raimi movies on Blu-ray and at that point you might as well just buy the third. That's what I think that's what I'm gonna do
[00:22:19 - 00:22:21] yeah
[00:22:21 - 00:22:23] Probably me too at some point and be like
[00:22:24 - 00:22:26] and honestly I
[00:22:26 - 00:22:32] Might buy every spider-man movie on Blu-ray just cuz I love the character so much. That's probably fair. Yeah, I
[00:22:33 - 00:22:35] feel like
[00:22:35 - 00:22:39] Spider-man movies are a little bit like Targaryen's like it's a it's a coin toss whether it's good or not
[00:22:42 - 00:22:48] That's a reference if y'all want that that's good, um drew you're at a party. I'm at a party. It's a chill birthday party
[00:22:50 - 00:22:55] Inspired me at three is on the TV. Okay, what are you doing? I am talking to people
[00:22:56 - 00:23:01] Yeah, yeah, I would not sit down to watch this movie. In fact, I might change it to spider-man 2. Yeah
[00:23:01 - 00:23:03] Might be like put on something different in the background
[00:23:04 - 00:23:09] Yeah, I would actually find the person who put this on and pay for their therapy
[00:23:10 - 00:23:15] That's that's what I would do. Um, we actually had a lot of hot takes in in which we're doing our spider-man hot
[00:23:17 - 00:23:19] You should send more spider-man hot takes if you have them
[00:23:19 - 00:23:22] But a lot of people have been saying spider-man 3 is either
[00:23:23 - 00:23:26] overhated slash underappreciated or straight up good
[00:23:27 - 00:23:28] so I
[00:23:28 - 00:23:30] gave my best argument I
[00:23:31 - 00:23:33] Kind of agree, but I
[00:23:34 - 00:23:37] Execution has to be a factor in the execution ceremony. Here's a question
[00:23:37 - 00:23:41] I have for you to wrap up this podcast if spider-man 3 was not about spider-man
[00:23:41 - 00:23:46] Let's say it was about another superhero that you were like, I don't really care. Okay. This is a good argument
[00:23:46 - 00:23:48] Spider-man 3 was super yeah, yeah
[00:23:49 - 00:23:55] Would you I would trash on it like crazy. Okay, so that's a decision that we have to make on this podcast right here
[00:23:55 - 00:23:59] I I would it's okay to have your favorite light it up in flames
[00:23:59 - 00:24:02] That makes me feel a bit more at peace about how much I hate this movie
[00:24:03 - 00:24:07] Because I love spider-man, but not enough to do here's the thing. I think I will
[00:24:09 - 00:24:13] And I don't even know this is true coming out of my mouth, but we'll break it down. Okay, I
[00:24:13 - 00:24:18] Will go to any length to defend a spider-man movie unless it's directed by John Watts
[00:24:19 - 00:24:25] That's just oh my god, and I think I'm gonna try to fix that watching homecoming. It's just so backwards to me
[00:24:25 - 00:24:29] I think homecoming has good spider-man moments. I really do I I'm going to give it
[00:24:29 - 00:24:35] I'm gonna give it the same amount of defense that I have given anything else or at least try to okay
[00:24:35 - 00:24:40] Wow, we're really gonna flip on this because I like at least spider-man homecoming. I like homecoming
[00:24:41 - 00:24:46] All right, we'll talk about it. We'll get there. That's in like three days drew speaking up in three days
[00:24:46 - 00:24:49] What do we have coming up on stole my line? Okay?
[00:24:49 - 00:24:55] We got a lot coming obviously we have Tasm tomorrow Tasm to the next day homecoming etc
[00:24:55 - 00:24:59] Leading up to brand new day. We're also talking about House of the Dragons
[00:24:59 - 00:25:02] So if you happen to be a Game of Thrones fan, we got you we got you
[00:25:02 - 00:25:08] We also are dropping the Legend of Aang movie. So if you're an avatar fan, we got you we got you
[00:25:09 - 00:25:17] We're seeing brand new day early kind of ish like early so we're gonna drop a non-spoiler review before we drop our big video
[00:25:19 - 00:25:21] That's kind of it
[00:25:21 - 00:25:28] We love you guys. We do and we love spider-man. We I yes, we do take a break and with great power comes great responsibility
[00:25:29 - 00:25:31] And enjoy there we go