# The Amazing Spider-Man is SO Underrated - Fireside Discussion
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[00:00:00 - 00:00:02] Andrew Garfield feels the most
[00:00:02 - 00:00:05] Teenagery out of any Spider-Man.
[00:00:05 - 00:00:06] He is.
[00:00:06 - 00:00:08] I know. He does not feel the most
[00:00:08 - 00:00:09] Teenagery.
[00:00:09 - 00:00:11] I know. I think he does.
[00:00:11 - 00:00:13] Tom Holland actually feels the most.
[00:00:13 - 00:00:15] Tom Holland feels like a kid.
[00:00:15 - 00:00:16] He feels like a play.
[00:00:16 - 00:00:18] No. I think that Tom Holland feels
[00:00:18 - 00:00:19] More like a teenager.
[00:00:19 - 00:00:20] But I see what you're saying.
[00:00:20 - 00:00:21] You're saying more angsty teenager.
[00:00:21 - 00:00:22] More angsty teen.
[00:00:22 - 00:00:23] He is like.
[00:00:23 - 00:00:24] I can get behind that.
[00:00:24 - 00:00:26] He's low-key kind of horny.
[00:00:26 - 00:00:27] Yeah.
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[00:00:38 - 00:00:39] Welcome back to Still Online,
[00:00:39 - 00:00:41] a fireside film podcast where we are
[00:00:41 - 00:00:43] talking about all the live action
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[00:00:44 - 00:00:46] It's Drew, and I'm Drew.
[00:00:46 - 00:00:47] Today we're talking about Taz'em I.
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[00:01:01 - 00:01:03] Drew, how do you feel about Tasm 1?
[00:01:03 - 00:01:05] I actually love it.
[00:01:05 - 00:01:06] I really like this movie.
[00:01:06 - 00:01:08] Okay, I haven't asked you about it.
[00:01:08 - 00:01:10] I am so curious to know your thoughts.
[00:01:10 - 00:01:14] It's been a long time since I've seen it, but I don't know.
[00:01:14 - 00:01:20] I think part of me has a nostalgia for that time period of making superhero movies.
[00:01:20 - 00:01:23] And I've seen this movie a handful of times.
[00:01:23 - 00:01:25] It's not the greatest movie I've ever seen.
[00:01:25 - 00:01:26] No.
[00:01:26 - 00:01:28] It's not the best Spider-Man movie?
[00:01:28 - 00:01:29] No.
[00:01:29 - 00:01:30] But I had a good time.
[00:01:30 - 00:01:33] Yeah, I watched it last night.
[00:01:33 - 00:01:35] I really enjoyed it.
[00:01:35 - 00:01:36] More than I thought I would.
[00:01:36 - 00:01:37] I think I'm in the same boat.
[00:01:37 - 00:01:38] Watching this movie.
[00:01:38 - 00:01:41] Pleasantly surprised, I would say.
[00:01:41 - 00:01:46] You said you had a little history of Tasm 1 cooked up, at least a production.
[00:01:46 - 00:01:51] So there's a lot to talk about right now.
[00:01:51 - 00:01:52] Okay.
[00:01:52 - 00:01:53] One.
[00:01:53 - 00:01:54] Two.
[00:01:54 - 00:01:55] Three.
[00:01:55 - 00:01:56] Who we love so dearly here.
[00:01:56 - 00:01:57] We just love.
[00:01:57 - 00:02:02] Yeah, especially how they discontinued PlayStation discs.
[00:02:02 - 00:02:03] Love that.
[00:02:03 - 00:02:04] We don't.
[00:02:04 - 00:02:05] They have a clause.
[00:02:05 - 00:02:06] Okay.
[00:02:06 - 00:02:09] A, they have a deal with Marvel, which is kind of confusing.
[00:02:09 - 00:02:11] I did some research.
[00:02:11 - 00:02:16] Basically, in the 90s, Marvel was the going bankrupt.
[00:02:16 - 00:02:20] So they sold off their film rights of their most popular characters.
[00:02:20 - 00:02:23] Being Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, X-Men, Hulk.
[00:02:23 - 00:02:27] It's probably ended up being a good long-term financial move for them.
[00:02:27 - 00:02:29] Yes, I would say it did.
[00:02:29 - 00:02:32] So they happened to sell Spider-Man to Sony.
[00:02:32 - 00:02:40] So now that we have Marvel being this cinematic giant, at least in 2012, I would say still
[00:02:40 - 00:02:44] kind of now, but we're like gearing up to be a cinematic giant gearing up to be
[00:02:44 - 00:02:45] cinematic giants.
[00:02:45 - 00:02:50] When Marvel comes to Sony, it's like, hey, like, we kind of want Spider-Man back.
[00:02:50 - 00:02:51] Sony says no.
[00:02:51 - 00:02:53] Which was also probably a wise move on there.
[00:02:53 - 00:02:54] Also probably a wise on Sony's part.
[00:02:54 - 00:03:00] But Sony has this clause in their contract with Marvel that if they do not start production
[00:03:00 - 00:03:06] of a Spider-Man movie every five years and nine months to the day, it instantly reverts
[00:03:06 - 00:03:09] back to Marvel, all of the Spider-Man IP that Sony owns.
[00:03:09 - 00:03:13] So this is a big middle finger to Marvel a little bit?
[00:03:13 - 00:03:16] This movie is a massive middle finger to Marvel.
[00:03:16 - 00:03:23] Because Raimi 4 was in production and supposed to be churning and working.
[00:03:23 - 00:03:26] And then Raimi felt so bad about Spider-Man 3.
[00:03:26 - 00:03:28] He felt like he let down the fans.
[00:03:28 - 00:03:33] The studio kind of wanted to pivot in another direction because Spider-Man 3 was critically
[00:03:33 - 00:03:34] bombed.
[00:03:34 - 00:03:35] Probably.
[00:03:35 - 00:03:38] And that whole thing kind of fell apart.
[00:03:38 - 00:03:42] So they're like, Frick, we got to start a production for a Spider-Man movie soon.
[00:03:43 - 00:03:47] So they kick-started this production really fast.
[00:03:47 - 00:03:51] Some other context cultural things that matter in my opinion.
[00:03:51 - 00:03:56] Mark Webb, who directed this movie, do you know how many features he had done before?
[00:03:56 - 00:03:57] He's got to be zero.
[00:03:57 - 00:03:58] One.
[00:03:58 - 00:03:59] One.
[00:03:59 - 00:04:00] 500 days of summer.
[00:04:00 - 00:04:01] Oh!
[00:04:01 - 00:04:02] I like that movie.
[00:04:02 - 00:04:03] I like it too.
[00:04:03 - 00:04:04] It's not like the best movie ever, but that's a fun movie.
[00:04:04 - 00:04:07] I hate summer as a character, but that's kind of the point of the movie.
[00:04:07 - 00:04:11] That's also fair and probably the point of the movie.
[00:04:11 - 00:04:17] But Sony looked at him, and again, this is all hyper- not hyper-perperly, what am I trying
[00:04:17 - 00:04:18] to say?
[00:04:18 - 00:04:21] A hypothetical situation that I have in my mind.
[00:04:21 - 00:04:25] It's probably a little biased, but that's okay.
[00:04:25 - 00:04:33] Sony looked at him and said, hey, we want to tell a more teenage-y superhero movie.
[00:04:33 - 00:04:34] You get that vibe.
[00:04:34 - 00:04:35] Like a million percent.
[00:04:35 - 00:04:40] They basically go to Mark Webb and they're like, you did 500 days of summer, you kind
[00:04:40 - 00:04:43] of bring that vibe into Spider-Man.
[00:04:43 - 00:04:44] Mark Webb said, yes.
[00:04:44 - 00:04:49] My theory is that Sony also kind of wanted to just have a young director that they could
[00:04:49 - 00:04:53] push around and kind of manhandle into things.
[00:04:53 - 00:04:56] Which sounds like is kind of what happened.
[00:04:56 - 00:04:58] Which is what happened- At least in the second movie.
[00:04:58 - 00:05:02] And kind of here, but it's to a lesser degree.
[00:05:02 - 00:05:08] The other cultural thing that Sony said is in 2008, what superhero movie came out.
[00:05:08 - 00:05:09] Iron Man.
[00:05:10 - 00:05:11] The Dark Knight.
[00:05:11 - 00:05:13] The Dark Knight.
[00:05:13 - 00:05:18] Which was this gritty kind of reinvention of the superhero genre.
[00:05:18 - 00:05:19] Yes.
[00:05:19 - 00:05:24] Sony saw that and said, hey Mark Webb, make Spider-Man gritty and dark.
[00:05:24 - 00:05:25] And Mark Webb said, okay.
[00:05:25 - 00:05:30] That's a lot of asks, especially for a fun character like Spider-Man.
[00:05:30 - 00:05:31] It's true.
[00:05:31 - 00:05:38] But I think that sets the stage for why this movie kind of is the way it is.
[00:05:38 - 00:05:42] And you can love it, you can hate it, we'll get into it, but that is kind of-
[00:05:42 - 00:05:45] I do think given all those things, this movie still turns out pretty good.
[00:05:45 - 00:05:46] I know.
[00:05:46 - 00:05:48] Like that's impressive actually.
[00:05:48 - 00:05:49] Yes.
[00:05:49 - 00:05:50] I agree.
[00:05:50 - 00:05:51] Okay.
[00:05:51 - 00:05:52] Okay.
[00:05:52 - 00:05:55] Spoilers for Tasm and probably the Raimi trilogy in this video.
[00:05:55 - 00:05:59] So if you're super caught up on that, not the video for you.
[00:05:59 - 00:06:00] Okay.
[00:06:00 - 00:06:01] Let's start with likes.
[00:06:01 - 00:06:02] Okay.
[00:06:02 - 00:06:07] And there's some, you know, we have some qualms with this movie for sure.
[00:06:07 - 00:06:08] I have a like.
[00:06:08 - 00:06:09] What's your like?
[00:06:09 - 00:06:11] Oh my gosh.
[00:06:11 - 00:06:12] Peter and Gwyn.
[00:06:12 - 00:06:13] Oh my gosh.
[00:06:13 - 00:06:14] They are perfect.
[00:06:14 - 00:06:15] They are so good.
[00:06:15 - 00:06:16] They're so good.
[00:06:16 - 00:06:17] They're so believable.
[00:06:17 - 00:06:19] And I think it's because like they fell in love in real life.
[00:06:19 - 00:06:24] I'm sure there's like some stuff there, but like they're just decently well written
[00:06:24 - 00:06:25] in their chemistry.
[00:06:25 - 00:06:27] Their chemistry is phenomenal.
[00:06:27 - 00:06:29] Gwyn's great.
[00:06:29 - 00:06:30] Emma Stone.
[00:06:30 - 00:06:32] Emma Stone's just killer.
[00:06:32 - 00:06:38] She is one of the most charismatic performers out there.
[00:06:38 - 00:06:40] Anytime she wants to be likable.
[00:06:40 - 00:06:41] She's likable.
[00:06:41 - 00:06:42] I love her.
[00:06:42 - 00:06:46] I do think that like I said this in my litter box review of this movie.
[00:06:46 - 00:06:49] She's the best live action Spider-Man love interest.
[00:06:49 - 00:06:50] I agree.
[00:06:50 - 00:06:55] And maybe just best love interest like even in the animated world too.
[00:06:55 - 00:07:00] She has lots of, I mean it's like, I kind of disagree about animated world,
[00:07:00 - 00:07:01] but that's okay.
[00:07:01 - 00:07:02] We'll get into that.
[00:07:02 - 00:07:04] I'm sure he's out on that one honestly.
[00:07:04 - 00:07:07] She has so much agency and feels like a real person.
[00:07:07 - 00:07:10] And I honestly think Kirsten Dunst does too.
[00:07:10 - 00:07:11] Yeah.
[00:07:11 - 00:07:12] I would agree.
[00:07:12 - 00:07:16] There are some Kirsten Dunst haters out there, but I think MJ has a lot of agency
[00:07:16 - 00:07:21] as well and doesn't feel like the damsel in distress.
[00:07:21 - 00:07:22] Yes.
[00:07:22 - 00:07:24] But Gwyn feels so real.
[00:07:24 - 00:07:25] Yes.
[00:07:25 - 00:07:26] Yeah.
[00:07:26 - 00:07:29] I mean, and Andrew Garfield is greatest Spider-Man.
[00:07:29 - 00:07:33] Even Peter, even though his Peter maybe isn't the best Peter written, he's still great.
[00:07:33 - 00:07:38] Like he feels like Spider-Man like within this movie at least.
[00:07:38 - 00:07:45] And I mean, again, like Sony is going for this kind of dark night-esque take on Spider-Man.
[00:07:45 - 00:07:49] So if you don't like that, you're not going to love this movie.
[00:07:49 - 00:07:53] But Mark Webb said in an interview of like the behind the scenes movie is like Peter's
[00:07:53 - 00:07:57] parents died and we see that and we don't see that, but we see them leaving him
[00:07:57 - 00:07:58] with Uncle Ben.
[00:07:58 - 00:07:59] Yeah.
[00:07:59 - 00:08:04] And Mark Webb was like, realistically, there would be lots of emotional turmoil of a kid
[00:08:04 - 00:08:06] who has been through this traumatic event.
[00:08:06 - 00:08:07] Yeah.
[00:08:07 - 00:08:11] And that's what they tried to put into Peter, whether that's comic accurate or not, it's
[00:08:11 - 00:08:12] another discussion.
[00:08:12 - 00:08:17] But I really like that choice of like, I mean, Andrew Garfield feels the most
[00:08:17 - 00:08:21] teenager-y out of any Spider-Man.
[00:08:21 - 00:08:22] He is.
[00:08:22 - 00:08:23] I know.
[00:08:23 - 00:08:24] He does not feel the most teenager-y.
[00:08:24 - 00:08:25] I know.
[00:08:25 - 00:08:26] I think he does.
[00:08:27 - 00:08:30] Tom Holland actually feels the most, at least in the homecoming children.
[00:08:30 - 00:08:31] Tom Holland feels like a kid.
[00:08:31 - 00:08:32] He feels like a plucky.
[00:08:32 - 00:08:35] No, I think that Tom Holland feels more like a teenager.
[00:08:35 - 00:08:36] But I see what you're saying.
[00:08:36 - 00:08:37] You're saying more angsty teenager.
[00:08:37 - 00:08:38] More angsty teenager.
[00:08:38 - 00:08:39] He is like...
[00:08:39 - 00:08:40] I can get behind that.
[00:08:40 - 00:08:41] He's low-key kind of horny.
[00:08:41 - 00:08:42] Yeah.
[00:08:42 - 00:08:44] That's kind of true.
[00:08:44 - 00:08:50] Angsty and like has been through trauma, so it makes sense, whereas Tom Holland has
[00:08:50 - 00:08:54] also been through trauma and is still this plucky to go lucky teenager.
[00:08:54 - 00:08:55] We'll get into that soon.
[00:08:55 - 00:08:56] That's another discussion.
[00:08:57 - 00:08:58] I think I agree with what you're saying.
[00:08:58 - 00:09:01] But what I'm saying is I like angsty Andrew.
[00:09:01 - 00:09:05] I have an additional Gwen and Peter thing that I like.
[00:09:05 - 00:09:08] And this is just a choice that the movie made.
[00:09:08 - 00:09:11] I like that Peter just tells Gwen who he is.
[00:09:11 - 00:09:12] I love it.
[00:09:12 - 00:09:13] I love this.
[00:09:13 - 00:09:16] I like it, one, because we know where we're going.
[00:09:16 - 00:09:20] Like, if you've seen these movies before, it's hard not to think about what happens
[00:09:20 - 00:09:22] in two when you're watching one.
[00:09:22 - 00:09:29] So it feels almost more tragic, like a spoiler alert for a movie that's over a decade old.
[00:09:29 - 00:09:34] But also, we've seen Peter trying to hide his identity before.
[00:09:34 - 00:09:37] And I'm not saying we need to do something different for the sake of doing something
[00:09:37 - 00:09:38] different, but it's interesting.
[00:09:38 - 00:09:41] It's a different kind of vibe to their relationship that I think works really well.
[00:09:41 - 00:09:42] I agree.
[00:09:42 - 00:09:48] And I think, again, if you're a comic purist...
[00:09:48 - 00:09:49] There are some reasons to dislike it, I'm sure.
[00:09:49 - 00:09:50] There are some reasons.
[00:09:50 - 00:09:56] The ultimate run from the 2000s, this feels very adjacent, but that's another discussion.
[00:09:56 - 00:09:57] This feels...
[00:09:57 - 00:10:00] Because, again, I think Peter should be super protective of his identity.
[00:10:00 - 00:10:02] But again, this is our first...
[00:10:02 - 00:10:06] This is Spider-Man's first time at doing anything because this is his origin.
[00:10:06 - 00:10:10] So I think him telling a girl he really likes that he's this cool superhero makes
[00:10:10 - 00:10:12] a ton of sense.
[00:10:12 - 00:10:16] From a stupid teenager, he's not thinking about the future, he's like...
[00:10:16 - 00:10:19] He hasn't really learned that his identity can kill people yet.
[00:10:19 - 00:10:20] Exactly, exactly, exactly.
[00:10:20 - 00:10:24] So it works for the movie a million percent.
[00:10:24 - 00:10:29] And then it creates an interesting dynamic between Gwen and her dad.
[00:10:29 - 00:10:30] It just works for the movie.
[00:10:30 - 00:10:31] It just does.
[00:10:31 - 00:10:33] I also love Captain Stacey.
[00:10:33 - 00:10:34] Yeah.
[00:10:34 - 00:10:35] He's solid in this movie.
[00:10:35 - 00:10:38] He's not the best character, but he's solid.
[00:10:38 - 00:10:42] I would say the lizard is not the best villain.
[00:10:42 - 00:10:48] I would say he's not super sympathetic, but he's fine.
[00:10:48 - 00:10:53] He's a placeholder and he works to get this first Spider-Man adventure off the ground for
[00:10:53 - 00:10:54] this iteration.
[00:10:54 - 00:10:55] I agree.
[00:10:55 - 00:10:59] There are 20 minutes of deleted scenes in this movie.
[00:10:59 - 00:11:00] Really?
[00:11:00 - 00:11:01] I haven't seen them.
[00:11:01 - 00:11:03] Do you want to know how many of them involve the lizard?
[00:11:03 - 00:11:04] Probably a lot.
[00:11:04 - 00:11:05] A ton.
[00:11:05 - 00:11:06] Yeah.
[00:11:06 - 00:11:08] It is all backstory, it is all character depth.
[00:11:08 - 00:11:09] Does it like help?
[00:11:09 - 00:11:10] Yeah.
[00:11:10 - 00:11:11] A ton.
[00:11:11 - 00:11:12] A ton.
[00:11:12 - 00:11:14] Man, a director's cut of this movie could have been fired.
[00:11:14 - 00:11:15] I know.
[00:11:15 - 00:11:16] Oh, man.
[00:11:16 - 00:11:23] It makes him so sympathetic and you really see him wrestle going on the arc of going
[00:11:23 - 00:11:24] insane.
[00:11:24 - 00:11:29] Well, yeah, because obviously he starts out as someone who wants to help people.
[00:11:29 - 00:11:30] Right.
[00:11:30 - 00:11:34] And he ends as that too, but I would have loved a lot more tension within the cut
[00:11:34 - 00:11:39] that we got of how did he get to this point where he wants to turn everybody into
[00:11:39 - 00:11:40] lizards?
[00:11:40 - 00:11:41] Yeah.
[00:11:41 - 00:11:48] The arc in the theatrical cut is very serviceable, but there are some massive jumps that you
[00:11:48 - 00:11:49] take.
[00:11:49 - 00:11:50] Yeah.
[00:11:50 - 00:11:53] And I mean, I understand maybe cutting some stuff for pacing.
[00:11:53 - 00:11:58] I mean, this movie is still over two hours, two fifteen-ish.
[00:11:58 - 00:12:01] I might have spent a time thing, which is okay.
[00:12:01 - 00:12:04] I still think the movie is good.
[00:12:04 - 00:12:06] Maybe the villain could have been better, sure, but I don't think it ruins the
[00:12:06 - 00:12:07] movie by any means.
[00:12:07 - 00:12:09] He just kind of is forgettable.
[00:12:09 - 00:12:10] Yeah, I agree.
[00:12:10 - 00:12:11] It's whatever.
[00:12:12 - 00:12:15] I mean, I don't know, we can go into other likes.
[00:12:15 - 00:12:16] This movie is technically really good.
[00:12:16 - 00:12:17] I agree.
[00:12:17 - 00:12:22] The CGI is maybe a little dated nowadays, but like a lot of the practical
[00:12:22 - 00:12:23] stuff they did is fire.
[00:12:23 - 00:12:24] It's so dope.
[00:12:24 - 00:12:26] Like they did practical swinging for some stuff.
[00:12:26 - 00:12:27] Yeah.
[00:12:27 - 00:12:28] That's cool.
[00:12:28 - 00:12:29] That's really cool.
[00:12:29 - 00:12:30] So.
[00:12:30 - 00:12:31] I agree.
[00:12:31 - 00:12:38] I think, I mean, these two movies specifically are so cool to watch in the
[00:12:38 - 00:12:41] sense of like the POV shots are awesome.
[00:12:41 - 00:12:42] Yes.
[00:12:42 - 00:12:43] The swinging sequences are sick.
[00:12:43 - 00:12:44] His suit looks awesome.
[00:12:44 - 00:12:45] His suit.
[00:12:45 - 00:12:48] I, and there's a lot of critique of like we don't like basketball
[00:12:48 - 00:12:51] spider-man with the sunglasses.
[00:12:51 - 00:12:52] Again it's like a kid made it.
[00:12:52 - 00:12:53] Like I.
[00:12:53 - 00:12:54] Yeah.
[00:12:54 - 00:12:57] Why don't we get more hate on like Rami's wrestling suit that he
[00:12:57 - 00:12:58] made?
[00:12:58 - 00:13:00] Like, I guess it's because it wasn't for as long.
[00:13:00 - 00:13:01] But like.
[00:13:01 - 00:13:02] Yeah, it's true.
[00:13:02 - 00:13:05] Uh, I don't know.
[00:13:05 - 00:13:09] I love this movie's realist game practical approach to the world of
[00:13:09 - 00:13:10] Spider-Man.
[00:13:10 - 00:13:11] Yeah.
[00:13:11 - 00:13:12] I agree.
[00:13:12 - 00:13:13] Is it the best Spider-Man movie?
[00:13:13 - 00:13:14] No.
[00:13:14 - 00:13:15] No.
[00:13:15 - 00:13:17] Is it a solid entry into the universe of Spider-Man?
[00:13:17 - 00:13:18] I would say yes.
[00:13:18 - 00:13:19] Yes.
[00:13:19 - 00:13:25] So I think there is one thing that feels a little stupid and it's that
[00:13:25 - 00:13:27] there's this whole mystery around Peter's parents.
[00:13:27 - 00:13:32] And that does feel like in the wake of Nolan we have to have some mystery around
[00:13:32 - 00:13:33] something.
[00:13:33 - 00:13:34] Right.
[00:13:34 - 00:13:35] A little.
[00:13:35 - 00:13:36] Yeah.
[00:13:36 - 00:13:37] I don't know.
[00:13:37 - 00:13:39] It's just you can kind of says that it's there because they wanted to add some
[00:13:39 - 00:13:41] mystery that they'll solve later.
[00:13:41 - 00:13:42] I agree.
[00:13:42 - 00:13:44] And then it gets pretty bad in two.
[00:13:44 - 00:13:45] Yes.
[00:13:45 - 00:13:49] But yeah, I think the focus on Peter's parents.
[00:13:49 - 00:13:54] I like it as a inciting incident for Peter being this angsty kid.
[00:13:54 - 00:13:57] And having conflict with Uncle Ben, like I think is good where he's
[00:13:57 - 00:14:01] like you're not my dad and then Uncle Ben dies.
[00:14:01 - 00:14:03] Like I think that moment is super solid.
[00:14:03 - 00:14:04] Yeah.
[00:14:04 - 00:14:05] He's killer.
[00:14:05 - 00:14:06] He's great.
[00:14:06 - 00:14:07] He's killer.
[00:14:07 - 00:14:13] But then the continued emphasis on Peter's parents.
[00:14:13 - 00:14:14] I don't love.
[00:14:14 - 00:14:15] Yeah.
[00:14:15 - 00:14:16] I would agree.
[00:14:16 - 00:14:21] I think that this movie, I was expecting it though to feel more like
[00:14:21 - 00:14:23] OK, we've seen this before.
[00:14:23 - 00:14:24] Right.
[00:14:24 - 00:14:25] We've seen the origin story.
[00:14:25 - 00:14:26] We've seen Ben die.
[00:14:26 - 00:14:28] So it felt pretty fresh to me like it.
[00:14:28 - 00:14:30] It didn't feel entirely unnecessary.
[00:14:30 - 00:14:33] I mean like is it pointless because we already know it?
[00:14:33 - 00:14:34] Yes.
[00:14:34 - 00:14:35] But I still think this movie works.
[00:14:35 - 00:14:39] I like that Peter is because like I guess in Ramey, he's on a field trip
[00:14:39 - 00:14:41] and that's where he gets bit.
[00:14:41 - 00:14:47] But the reason Peter gets bit is because he's, he is searching for his
[00:14:47 - 00:14:48] father.
[00:14:48 - 00:14:49] Yeah.
[00:14:49 - 00:14:50] And it gives him some agency.
[00:14:50 - 00:14:51] It gives him some agency.
[00:14:51 - 00:14:56] And I also like the kind of cascading effect of like at school,
[00:14:56 - 00:14:58] Ben tells Peter, hey, you got to go pick up your aunt.
[00:14:58 - 00:14:59] Yeah.
[00:14:59 - 00:15:01] And then he gets distracted at Oscorp.
[00:15:02 - 00:15:03] And then there's fallout.
[00:15:03 - 00:15:05] He gets bit and then there's fallout at his house.
[00:15:05 - 00:15:06] That's where the fight starts.
[00:15:06 - 00:15:07] Yep.
[00:15:07 - 00:15:09] And then that's why Peter storms off.
[00:15:09 - 00:15:12] And then that's why Peter or that's why Ben follows him.
[00:15:12 - 00:15:15] And then that's how he dies.
[00:15:15 - 00:15:19] Like I like that there's this kind, like actions have consequences.
[00:15:19 - 00:15:22] And I like that there's kind of this cascading effect of like
[00:15:22 - 00:15:24] this day was a really bad day for Peter because he basically did
[00:15:24 - 00:15:25] everything wrong.
[00:15:25 - 00:15:26] Yep.
[00:15:26 - 00:15:28] And as a result, his uncle died.
[00:15:28 - 00:15:29] Yep.
[00:15:29 - 00:15:30] Yeah.
[00:15:30 - 00:15:33] This movie, again, it works.
[00:15:33 - 00:15:34] Is the best Spider-Man movie?
[00:15:34 - 00:15:35] No.
[00:15:35 - 00:15:39] But I don't think you're going to dislike this movie if you watch it.
[00:15:39 - 00:15:41] If you have issues with it, though, let us know what you think.
[00:15:41 - 00:15:43] Yeah, it'd be super interesting to hear.
[00:15:43 - 00:15:45] I mean, I think Andrew Garfield's a good Spider-Man.
[00:15:45 - 00:15:47] I think this is the last conversation I'd like to have.
[00:15:47 - 00:15:48] Okay.
[00:15:48 - 00:15:49] This is all right with you.
[00:15:49 - 00:15:52] There's a lot of conversation around the Spider-Men, specifically
[00:15:52 - 00:15:54] Toby McWire, Andrew Garfield, Tom Holland.
[00:15:54 - 00:15:59] Those are the three that we're talking about in this live action sphere.
[00:15:59 - 00:16:03] A lot of people, this is kind of the consensus I think people have come to, is that Toby
[00:16:03 - 00:16:09] McWire is the best Peter Parker, maybe not the best Spider-Man.
[00:16:09 - 00:16:13] Andrew Garfield is the best Spider-Man, not the best Peter Parker, at least based off
[00:16:13 - 00:16:15] like comic accuracy or whatever.
[00:16:15 - 00:16:18] And Tom Holland is somewhere in the middle of those two.
[00:16:18 - 00:16:21] Do you agree with that sentiment or are we off the mark here?
[00:16:21 - 00:16:25] I don't know.
[00:16:25 - 00:16:28] I think this is an interesting conversation.
[00:16:28 - 00:16:32] We might have to talk a little bit here and shelve it for later.
[00:16:32 - 00:16:38] Well, yeah, we can talk about it when we hit Tom, but A, my question is who are we comparing
[00:16:38 - 00:16:39] it to?
[00:16:39 - 00:16:45] Because, again, if we're talking about early Lee Ditko runs of Spider-Man, I think Ramy
[00:16:45 - 00:16:46] is great.
[00:16:46 - 00:16:48] Yeah, that's probably fair.
[00:16:48 - 00:16:52] But if we're talking about 2000's ultimate run, I think Andrew Garfield is a pretty
[00:16:52 - 00:16:56] good comparison.
[00:16:56 - 00:17:01] So when everyone's like, oh, X is the most comic accurate Spider-Man, I'm like to who's
[00:17:01 - 00:17:05] comics and in what era.
[00:17:05 - 00:17:07] And I am okay.
[00:17:07 - 00:17:11] I do think there are core principles of a character that should remain the same.
[00:17:11 - 00:17:16] But I'm okay with a little adaptation of like, I mean, even like a Batman, like Nolan
[00:17:16 - 00:17:24] versus Reeves or here with Webb versus Ramy, I like that they feel so different.
[00:17:24 - 00:17:28] I think that there's a difference here in like source material.
[00:17:28 - 00:17:32] Like let's just say Lord of the Rings, for example.
[00:17:32 - 00:17:33] I love the movies.
[00:17:33 - 00:17:34] Right.
[00:17:34 - 00:17:35] The movies are overall decently accurate.
[00:17:35 - 00:17:39] There's some changes that they make, but a lot of the changes they make make sense
[00:17:39 - 00:17:40] or whatever.
[00:17:40 - 00:17:44] Then you look at Rings of Power and there's some deviation from the source material.
[00:17:44 - 00:17:48] That's one thing like that Tolkien wrote with Spider-Man.
[00:17:48 - 00:17:51] There's like a bunch of different interpretations of the character within the comics.
[00:17:51 - 00:17:52] Yeah.
[00:17:52 - 00:17:55] I've been with you evolutions throughout decades.
[00:17:55 - 00:17:59] So it's a little bit more of a moving target if we're talking about like accurate seeds
[00:17:59 - 00:18:01] of the source material, at least from my perspective.
[00:18:01 - 00:18:02] I agree.
[00:18:02 - 00:18:05] And I think it's just a matter of preference of like what you like.
[00:18:05 - 00:18:11] If you like the cheesy early 2000s feel of Spider-Man, go to Ramy.
[00:18:11 - 00:18:18] If you want kind of the punk teenager, go to Webb.
[00:18:18 - 00:18:21] Now again, I think if you do not have the sentiment of great power comes great
[00:18:21 - 00:18:24] responsibility in your movie, it is not a Spider-Man movie.
[00:18:24 - 00:18:25] Yeah.
[00:18:25 - 00:18:28] And we'll kind of, that's my biggest problem with Tom's Trilogy.
[00:18:28 - 00:18:30] Tom's Trilogy, but we'll get there.
[00:18:30 - 00:18:31] Okay.
[00:18:31 - 00:18:34] Well, do we want to give this our Spider-Man ranking?
[00:18:34 - 00:18:36] I think we should.
[00:18:36 - 00:18:40] So currently we have, I don't know if I can even think, we have Ramy 2 at 1.
[00:18:40 - 00:18:41] Yes.
[00:18:41 - 00:18:42] Ramy 1 at 2.
[00:18:42 - 00:18:43] Yes.
[00:18:43 - 00:18:44] And Ramy 3 at 3.
[00:18:44 - 00:18:45] Yes.
[00:18:45 - 00:18:46] This is better than Spider-Man 3.
[00:18:46 - 00:18:47] I agree.
[00:18:47 - 00:18:48] This is better than Spider-Man 1.
[00:18:48 - 00:18:54] I think I disagree.
[00:18:54 - 00:18:57] I think I actually agree that it's better than Spider-Man 1.
[00:18:57 - 00:19:01] Like, no, but here's the thing, I'm willing to concede this argument and say this should
[00:19:01 - 00:19:06] be in our current three slot because like you have to stand on the shoulders of what
[00:19:06 - 00:19:10] came before you to a certain extent.
[00:19:10 - 00:19:11] But I think it has a movie.
[00:19:11 - 00:19:12] This is a better movie.
[00:19:12 - 00:19:13] Like I just do.
[00:19:13 - 00:19:17] I don't think the character is better written or anything like that, but the quality of
[00:19:17 - 00:19:23] the movie factor is important a little bit more, at least in this specific scenario.
[00:19:23 - 00:19:32] I would you say that this is a higher quality movie than Ramy's 1?
[00:19:32 - 00:19:33] You might not.
[00:19:33 - 00:19:36] I don't know.
[00:19:36 - 00:19:37] Yes.
[00:19:37 - 00:19:38] Okay.
[00:19:38 - 00:19:45] But I don't think I like it better.
[00:19:46 - 00:19:51] We're talking like objective modern filmmaking of like CG and even dialogue.
[00:19:51 - 00:19:55] I think the dialogue is significantly better than Spider-Man 1.
[00:19:55 - 00:19:57] Way better than 1.
[00:19:57 - 00:19:58] Yes.
[00:19:58 - 00:20:05] But I think Peter's Ark in 1 is better than Peter's Ark in Tazm.
[00:20:05 - 00:20:13] And if we're talking, I think Ramy 1 understands Spider-Man more than Tazm slightly.
[00:20:13 - 00:20:14] I think Tazm is good.
[00:20:14 - 00:20:15] But I don't think it's...
[00:20:15 - 00:20:16] Okay.
[00:20:16 - 00:20:20] There was not a Spider-Man movie here like emotionally that I'm like, oh my gosh, that changed my
[00:20:20 - 00:20:21] life.
[00:20:21 - 00:20:22] Yeah, that's probably good.
[00:20:22 - 00:20:26] Him walking away from MJ and I sound like a broken record and I probably will.
[00:20:26 - 00:20:27] Yeah, it's okay.
[00:20:27 - 00:20:29] No, this is the series though.
[00:20:29 - 00:20:33] But him walking away from MJ is one of the greatest moments in superhero cinema.
[00:20:33 - 00:20:34] Yeah.
[00:20:34 - 00:20:37] Okay, I'll concede the arc.
[00:20:37 - 00:20:38] Okay.
[00:20:38 - 00:20:39] I think Tazm is very good.
[00:20:39 - 00:20:40] I like Tazm a lot.
[00:20:40 - 00:20:41] I would say they're more comparable.
[00:20:41 - 00:20:42] Like this doesn't touch Spider-Man 2.
[00:20:42 - 00:20:43] No, I agree.
[00:20:43 - 00:20:44] It's still very good.
[00:20:44 - 00:20:48] I think this will end up maybe even in the top five of our Spider-Man rankings by the end.
[00:20:48 - 00:20:49] Yeah, I think it could.
[00:20:49 - 00:20:50] So we'll have to see.
[00:20:50 - 00:20:53] But I'm okay with sawing it there.
[00:20:53 - 00:20:55] Let's go to our stole my line ranking.
[00:20:55 - 00:20:56] Okay.
[00:20:56 - 00:20:57] If you're new to the channel, by the way, thank you for being here.
[00:20:57 - 00:20:58] For sure.
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[00:20:59 - 00:21:03] We have this ranking system where we just kind of say this is the best way generally
[00:21:03 - 00:21:05] that one should experience the movie.
[00:21:05 - 00:21:07] We have watching a movie theater.
[00:21:07 - 00:21:08] We have by it on Blu-ray.
[00:21:08 - 00:21:09] I did those out of order.
[00:21:09 - 00:21:10] That's true.
[00:21:10 - 00:21:11] It's fine.
[00:21:11 - 00:21:12] My fault.
[00:21:12 - 00:21:13] One streaming.
[00:21:13 - 00:21:16] Watch it for free on streaming and then just avoid it.
[00:21:16 - 00:21:19] Where are you feeling for this one?
[00:21:19 - 00:21:20] I'm going to say Blu-ray.
[00:21:20 - 00:21:21] I'm okay with that.
[00:21:21 - 00:21:22] Wow.
[00:21:22 - 00:21:23] I didn't think you were going to say that.
[00:21:23 - 00:21:26] I know you were like, I'm going to buy every Spider-Man movie on Blu-ray, but I think
[00:21:26 - 00:21:27] it's a good movie that I would rewatch.
[00:21:27 - 00:21:32] No, I'm like, I don't like, I'm just thinking about me last night.
[00:21:32 - 00:21:35] I enjoyed this movie way more than I thought it would.
[00:21:35 - 00:21:37] I think this may be a lower tier Blu-ray entry.
[00:21:37 - 00:21:38] 100%.
[00:21:38 - 00:21:40] Like it's not the best buy on Blu-ray we've ever said.
[00:21:40 - 00:21:43] I think you could maybe make an argument for like, this is probably better in the movie
[00:21:43 - 00:21:44] theater.
[00:21:44 - 00:21:45] Yeah.
[00:21:45 - 00:21:46] But I'm okay with Blu-ray here.
[00:21:46 - 00:21:51] I mean, if we're talking like family movies, I'm like, this is a solid.
[00:21:51 - 00:21:52] It's aged kind of well.
[00:21:52 - 00:21:53] Yeah, I agree.
[00:21:53 - 00:21:55] Which is like surprising.
[00:21:55 - 00:21:58] I don't know how all these movies from the 2010s are going to age, but this one
[00:21:58 - 00:21:59] is aged pretty well.
[00:21:59 - 00:22:00] I agree.
[00:22:00 - 00:22:01] So.
[00:22:01 - 00:22:02] Jury's out.
[00:22:02 - 00:22:06] We'll see how we shape up with the rest of our rankings, but, Drew, you're out
[00:22:06 - 00:22:07] of party.
[00:22:07 - 00:22:08] I'm out of party.
[00:22:08 - 00:22:09] It's a chill birthday party.
[00:22:09 - 00:22:10] Yeah.
[00:22:10 - 00:22:13] You've got like two or three mutual friends, but you're not close to anybody.
[00:22:13 - 00:22:14] Not close to anybody.
[00:22:14 - 00:22:18] And then the amazing Spider-Man one is on the TV in the other room.
[00:22:18 - 00:22:19] Yep.
[00:22:19 - 00:22:20] What are you doing?
[00:22:20 - 00:22:24] I will be as anti-social and weird as Andrew Garfield playing Peter Parker
[00:22:24 - 00:22:26] and sit on that couch and not talk to us a lot.
[00:22:26 - 00:22:27] He is so bad socially.
[00:22:27 - 00:22:29] Like, it's, it's funny.
[00:22:29 - 00:22:30] It's good.
[00:22:30 - 00:22:32] I like all of his Andrew Garfield isms.
[00:22:32 - 00:22:33] No, they're great.
[00:22:33 - 00:22:37] Like all of his weird head movements and like his, they make him like a corky
[00:22:37 - 00:22:38] lovable.
[00:22:38 - 00:22:42] At the end of the movie, when like he's beat lizard and watch captain says he died, and
[00:22:42 - 00:22:46] then he comes home and Andrew kind of looks at him and he's just like, just like
[00:22:46 - 00:22:47] dorky smile.
[00:22:47 - 00:22:50] He's like, I think it's so funny.
[00:22:50 - 00:22:51] He's great.
[00:22:51 - 00:22:52] Andrew Garfield is so, he's awesome, by the way.
[00:22:52 - 00:22:53] We glazed him a stone.
[00:22:53 - 00:22:54] Andrew Garfield's a crap.
[00:22:54 - 00:22:55] Yeah.
[00:22:55 - 00:22:56] Andrew Garfield's awesome.
[00:22:56 - 00:22:57] Okay.
[00:22:57 - 00:22:58] I feel good about that.
[00:22:58 - 00:22:59] I do too.
[00:22:59 - 00:23:05] Uh, tomorrow we're going to maybe just hate on Spider-Man again because we are
[00:23:05 - 00:23:06] watching the amazing Spider-Man two.
[00:23:06 - 00:23:07] Tasm two, baby.
[00:23:07 - 00:23:09] Andrew, what else do we have coming up?
[00:23:09 - 00:23:10] All right.
[00:23:10 - 00:23:11] Like obviously we're doing spider-man marathon.
[00:23:11 - 00:23:12] We're dropping daily.
[00:23:12 - 00:23:14] So we got Tasm two homecoming far from home.
[00:23:14 - 00:23:15] No way home.
[00:23:15 - 00:23:17] Then we're doing brand new day.
[00:23:17 - 00:23:19] We are seeing a brand new day a little early.
[00:23:19 - 00:23:22] So we're going to drop a non spoiler review in the middle of our spider-man
[00:23:22 - 00:23:24] marathon.
[00:23:24 - 00:23:25] It's kind of out of order.
[00:23:25 - 00:23:26] Call us Nolan.
[00:23:26 - 00:23:27] Okay.
[00:23:27 - 00:23:30] Um, we're, we're also doing house the dragon.
[00:23:30 - 00:23:31] We are.
[00:23:31 - 00:23:32] We're also doing avatar legend.
[00:23:32 - 00:23:37] It might come out either today when you're watching it or tomorrow
[00:23:37 - 00:23:38] juries out.
[00:23:38 - 00:23:39] Yeah.
[00:23:39 - 00:23:40] We'll upload it when we get to it.
[00:23:40 - 00:23:43] So, um, subscribe if you're into avatar for the rest of the year.
[00:23:43 - 00:23:45] We got lanterns is in August.
[00:23:45 - 00:23:47] We got clay face.
[00:23:47 - 00:23:48] We have Dune.
[00:23:48 - 00:23:50] We have doomsday.
[00:23:50 - 00:23:53] We have that Rocky movie, which looks pretty good.
[00:23:53 - 00:23:58] We have, uh, the Bourdain movie, which looks interesting.
[00:23:58 - 00:23:59] We have social reckoning.
[00:23:59 - 00:24:02] We have anything and everything.
[00:24:02 - 00:24:05] If you're going to talk about it, we got you.
[00:24:05 - 00:24:06] Take a break.
[00:24:06 - 00:24:07] We're great.
[00:24:07 - 00:24:08] Power comes great responsibility and enjoy them.
[00:24:08 - 00:24:09] It doesn't flow as well.
[00:24:09 - 00:24:10] It really does.
[00:24:10 - 00:24:11] It's okay.